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Post by Dan on Feb 5, 2014 10:37:15 GMT -8
Arlene's computer is down again, she can't log onto the forum. I got an update email from her, here's a cut-n-paste...
"Now as for those girls :-( I think Kiki is pregnant but not real sure about Cappi, she is acting like she is in season or thinking about it but also not interested in a guy.. so just not sure about her.. Still time before I can check but I think Kiki will deliver the goods :-) Just need to know how many and what sex and what kind of feet and all the other things :-)
Anyway I'll call the computer guy tomorrow and see if I can't get this monster to work so I can go back on the forum I know you must miss me terribly LOL!!! :-)
A"
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Post by lynxlady on Feb 6, 2014 14:48:05 GMT -8
OK, don't everyone cheer at once  .. For right now I'm back on.. I felt like screaming each time I was tossed off,, I though Dan just got tired of me and bloked me out! So since Dan has been so kind as to passing the news all I can add is that Kiki sure is getting a belly on her so I'm very happy, it lookes like she will have more then just one or two so I just could dance I'm so happy.. as for Cappi?? Well she is back in season I'm almost positive so tossed Tarzan back in with her for another round of jungle love  Keep fingers crossed that it works this time..If Kiki has 4.. we will be good! OK, so where is spell check ? |
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Post by Jackie on Feb 7, 2014 9:40:19 GMT -8
Glad you're back Arlene !!!! Yipeee!!! You always make me laugh  I hope one of the babies end up being my little Kiba!!!! So excited!!! |
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Post by Dan on Feb 7, 2014 10:46:06 GMT -8
Glad you got logged back on. You have more patience than I do, if I had as many issues with my computer as you have had, I would have probably beaten it to death by now...
Glad to hear KiKi is expecting, and more than one to two, very cool! Looking forward to pictures...
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Post by lynxlady on Feb 7, 2014 12:10:20 GMT -8
[font size="3"][/font]Well, if you had to deal with so many things that just don't work, a computer is nothing.. however I was about to toss this thing in the creek!! Now. as for Miss Cappi.. she is in full blown heat AGAIN so no muffins from her this time around but she is back in with Tarzan today .. I hope it's not too late for him to give us muffins but if he is then there is always Simba for now.. My friend was here to help me today with the cats and she suggested I put in Monster with her.. Great Idea but he is her father so that wouldn't work for me, it would however give us Snow Leopards I would think.. but it will be Tarzan or Simba.. since kiki is really showing I think we are in good shape. OK, since I haven't really figured this new layout yet, I just wanted to say as far as color goes.. If everyone is sick of peach then I guess green is good.. anything but BLUE  is good with me I think..  |
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Post by Dan on Feb 7, 2014 12:30:51 GMT -8
I would love to have a Snow Leopard, but inbreeding is never a good idea. Hopefully Cappi and Tarzan get something cookin'...
The green isn't going to stay too long. It's kind of spring colored, but it hurts my eyes. The new Admin function is pretty easy, I stole this color format from a ProBoards page called GoTurk or some such, and then modified it a bit. Apparently, if you are interested in Turkey, you like green. Yeah, no blue, got it. I'll get bored one day and find something else...
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Post by lynxlady on Feb 7, 2014 19:27:29 GMT -8
Well Dan.. if I inbreed then both your kitties would have a pal.. just think how happy Jenny would be to have one of her own she can relate to in the house  As for Scooter.. I think he would just be happy to have another cat to play with .. I think even a inbred DLX would still be fun :-) One day I might give it a go since so many breeders tell me that breeding a father to daughter is a good mix but never any other combinations are  Not sure what that is about but ....I know a lot of people would love a Snow Leopard. Maybe I should try it? |
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Post by Dan on Feb 8, 2014 12:24:33 GMT -8
That made me literally laugh out loud! I can see some 3 leg, cross-eyed retard cat for poor Jenny to play with, and finally feel that there are others just like her...
Seriously though, besides human nature telling us it's wrong, what are the odds of actually having problems? I'm asking this as a serious question. How likely is it to produce genetic defects, and how much does one generation (father/daughter) of inbreeding cause problems? Also, didn't some of the Snow's have some issues in the past? I think I remember one, or two maybe, that had health problems. Was that just a fluke, or are there issues in the breed when that particular color is breed?
I also have been told, or heard through the grapevine, that some animals with white coats & blue eyes are somehow weaker or have more health issues, but I'n not sure if that's true, or urban legend. Legends like, "All Dalmatians are deaf". Is that real, of just myth?
A Snow Leopard would be our absolute first choice for Scooter & Jenny's new pal. Both Sugar and I & were disappointed when that color was no longer going to be an option. That said, I don't want you to make a decision that is a bad one, goes against your principals, or risks producing kittens with genetic defects.
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Post by Dan on Feb 8, 2014 12:36:51 GMT -8
This wouldn't happen, would it?  |
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Post by Jackie on Feb 8, 2014 12:51:47 GMT -8
Hahahahaha...Arlene!!! Poor, poor Jenny  |
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Post by lynxlady on Feb 8, 2014 14:11:51 GMT -8
That made me literally laugh out loud! I can see some 3 leg, cross-eyed retard cat for poor Jenny to play with, and finally feel that there are others just like her... Seriously though, besides human nature telling us it's wrong, what are the odds of actually having problems? I'm asking this as a serious question. How likely is it to produce genetic defects, and how much does one generation (father/daughter) of inbreeding cause problems? Also, didn't some of the Snow's have some issues in the past? I think I remember one, or two maybe, that had health problems. Was that just a fluke, or are there issues in the breed when that particular color is breed? I also have been told, or heard through the grapevine, that some animals with white coats & blue eyes are somehow weaker or have more health issues, but I'n not sure if that's true, or urban legend. Legends like, "All Dalmatians are deaf". Is that real, of just myth? A Snow Leopard would be our absolute first choice for Scooter & Jenny's new pal. Both Sugar and I & were disappointed when that color was no longer going to be an option. That said, I don't want you to make a decision that is a bad one, goes against your principals, or risks producing kittens with genetic defects. |
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Post by lynxlady on Feb 8, 2014 14:12:34 GMT -8
That made me literally laugh out loud! I can see some 3 leg, cross-eyed retard cat for poor Jenny to play with, and finally feel that there are others just like her... Seriously though, besides human nature telling us it's wrong, what are the odds of actually having problems? I'm asking this as a serious question. How likely is it to produce genetic defects, and how much does one generation (father/daughter) of inbreeding cause problems? Also, didn't some of the Snow's have some issues in the past? I think I remember one, or two maybe, that had health problems. Was that just a fluke, or are there issues in the breed when that particular color is breed? I also have been told, or heard through the grapevine, that some animals with white coats & blue eyes are somehow weaker or have more health issues, but I'n not sure if that's true, or urban legend. Legends like, "All Dalmatians are deaf". Is that real, of just myth? A Snow Leopard would be our absolute first choice for Scooter & Jenny's new pal. Both Sugar and I & were disappointed when that color was no longer going to be an option. That said, I don't want you to make a decision that is a bad one, goes against your principals, or risks producing kittens with genetic defects. |
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Post by lynxlady on Feb 8, 2014 14:32:24 GMT -8
Actually Dan, it really depends on the cats.. What you do is double up on the good as well as the bad genes.. if the good genes out number the bad by more then 3/4 then it is a good mix.. It would only be bad if they both had strong lethal genes, which neither of them have.. they both have strong good genes with no defects.. so a breeding of Cappi and Monster would make for a incredable cat ( I would hope). The problem with the 'white' gene is that it can be weak.. BUT actually Cappi is not a Snow Leopard, she is a chocolate Leopard.. the snow's have blue eyes and she has aqua eyes so that makes her a Chocolate.. that is what they would produce and since neither Cappi or Monster have any inbreeding in them to begine with, a one time breeding would be good.. now I'm talking myself into puting Monster in with her.. Tarzan was sleeping this morning when I went in to clean and feed..Tarzan just came down, ate his breakfast and went back up to sleep.. Cappi was dancing around and he didn't want anything to do with her this time so I took him out and was going to bring Simba in later.. the breeding area was clean so I know there was nothing happening with them last night.. we had a big storm last night with winds betwen 50 to 80 MPH and that could have killed any romance between them. The biggest problem with the white gene is that people will breed blue eyed white animals together and that will cause deftness and it also doubles up on the weak gene, but since Monster is a Copper/Ebony Leopard that carries the Chocolate gene and Cappi is a Chocolate, it might be worth a shot .. Oh man now I'm so tempted!!!!
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Post by Dan on Feb 8, 2014 15:57:26 GMT -8
Actually Dan, it really depends on the cats.. What you do is double up on the good as well as the bad genes.. if the good genes out number the bad by more then 3/4 then it is a good mix.. It would only be bad if they both had strong lethal genes, which neither of them have.. they both have strong good genes with no defects.. so a breeding of Cappi and Monster would make for a incredable cat ( I would hope). The problem with the 'white' gene is that it can be weak.. BUT actually Cappi is not a Snow Leopard, she is a chocolate Leopard.. the snow's have blue eyes and she has aqua eyes so that makes her a Chocolate.. that is what they would produce and since neither Cappi or Monster have any inbreeding in them to begine with, a one time breeding would be good.. now I'm talking myself into puting Monster in with her.. Tarzan was sleeping this morning when I went in to clean and feed..Tarzan just came down, ate his breakfast and went back up to sleep.. Cappi was dancing around and he didn't want anything to do with her this time so I took him out and was going to bring Simba in later.. the breeding area was clean so I know there was nothing happening with them last night.. we had a big storm last night with winds betwen 50 to 80 MPH and that could have killed any romance between them. The biggest problem with the white gene is that people will breed blue eyed white animals together and that will cause deftness and it also doubles up on the weak gene, but since Monster is a Copper/Ebony Leopard that carries the Chocolate gene and Cappi is a Chocolate, it might be worth a shot .. Oh man now I'm so tempted!!!! Wow, very interesting, and somewhat confusing. To me anyway, not so much for you. I'm still trying to sort this, so bear with me. Cappi is a Chocolate Leopard. She is tan (don't scold me, I'm sure that's not the technical term) has spots, and has aqua (Aqua? There's a difference between aqua and green???) eyes. Monster is Copper and black (Like Scooter, but spotted, not clouded) and has green eyes. So how does that pairing get you a white spotted kitten? What color would you expect the spots to be? Is there a difference between aqua and green eyes? Scooter and Simba have bright green eyes, what does Cappi have? She's Scooters mom, so same as Scooter, or did Scooter get Simba's green eyes? Christ, this makes my head spin trying to figure it out.  PS: I'm not trying to order off the ala carte menu, so don't get grumpy. I'm just trying to figure this out, and learn something... |
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Post by lynxlady on Feb 8, 2014 19:29:44 GMT -8
Grumpy? ME? Never would I get snappy with you.. I know it's hard to get it all, and sometimes I even get confused.. OK.. Cappi is a off white/ cream color with Chocolate brown colored spots and Aqua colored eyes.. Aqua is different then blue.. so even if she looks like a Snow Leopard to most people, she is a Chocolate Leopard. Her spots are brown and her base color is cream/white..Monster is a Copper/Ebony Leopard. As for his eyes.. I think they are a yellow color more then the green.. but man I will have to look again because now I can't really think..It depends on the genes as to what color they will throw.. Monster is Bears son so he got the snow gene from him..Monsters mother was "Sassey" she was a Copper Ebony Leopard with the Snow Gene from her mom "Tika" I had no idea he had the gene ( as not all kittens from a Snow Leopard parent will carry the snow gene.. BUT both parents have to carry the gene for it to reproduce in a kitten.. Demona ( Cappi's mom IS a Snow Leopard so when Monster got her( another story) they produced both the Chocolate and the snow as well as a Copper/Ebony kitten.. I kept Cappi as I prefer the Chocolate to the Snow as it is a sturdier healther gene ( where the hell is the spell check??!!) Yes, there is a difference between blue and aqua eyes.. The more I look at Scooter the more I think he is actually a Silver/Ebony Clouded Leopard, I don't see that much of the copper in him anymore, he looks more like Simba's younger brother "Spider" who was a Silver Ebony .. but Spider was a Marble and not a Clouded Leopard like Scooter is.. I can't tell from the pictures so you tell me is Scooter has the copper color in his coat .... Sigh.. There is so much to teach and so little time "IF" I bred Cappi to Monster there is still a chance of a Snow and not a Chocolate and also a chance of a chocolate and or Copper Ebony litter as well, but I don't think any of them would be like the dog in that comercial ! Maybe I will get brave and try it but I'm still not convinced .. I do love the mix of Simba because of his personality.. Monster is just that.. and he usually produces the Monster personality..But with Cappi being so sweet, maybe it could work..any more questions? Let me know, I really am happy to try and explain it but some of it is very difficult..
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.. For right now I'm back on.. I felt like screaming each time I was tossed off,, I though Dan just got tired of me and bloked me out!
Keep fingers crossed that it works this time..If Kiki has 4.. we will be good!
I hope one of the babies end up being my little Kiba!!!! So excited!!!
is good with me I think.. 
As for Scooter.. I think he would just be happy to have another cat to play with .. I think even a inbred DLX would still be fun :-) One day I might give it a go since so many breeders tell me that breeding a father to daughter is a good mix but never any other combinations are 
Not sure what that is about but ....I know a lot of people would love a Snow Leopard.
